"Some people are uncomfortable with "fun" being reason for a hobby and maybe it doesn't need to be a primary driver (I don't think knitters or woodworkers talk about "fun" as much as they talk about fulfillment, creating stuff with their hands, camaraderie, etc but i could be wrong). Ignoring "fun" though, in my opinion that's how we end up with shit like Heavy Rain or The Passage or whatever - games that place "meaning" above "giving people an actual reason to play this" (aka fun). It seems like the people who defend "fun" either end up as trolls or as pure designers talking about practical problems or both, like danc's essay on criticism."He then moved on to Child of Eden, which a number of folks had been ardently discussing on Twitter. [I won't be able to play it until the PS3 version is available, so although I appreciate the suggestion, folks, it won't be up on deck here any time soon.]
[I]t's also a legitimately great narrative. Not through the text which is sparse and heavy handed ... but through the actual game mechanics. And I think at some point we get so trapped up in fun / not fun and story / not story that we forget that text is not the only way of telling a story -- level design, enemy design, the basic mechanics are all ways of telling a story and as a bonus they are "game-y" aka not incompatible with "fun". They can set a mood that is both weirdly serious ... without being overly tedious ... unlike other "arthouse" games where the tedium and repetition are "the point" (i am guilty of this!!!) . You can't just go on youtube and watch the cutscenes to get the narrative part of it (like I should have done with Enslaved), you actually have to participate in it to understand it.Zach's argument resonated with me for a few reasons. For one thing, at the time, I was in the middle of Enslaved and he's right about its total failure to use game mechanics in any meaningful way.
He raised a really valid point: those of us who spend a lot of time discussing the various artistic and narrative merits and failures of games often try to avoid "fun" as a measure of success. For one thing, it's so subjective as to be meaningless: plenty of people seem to think that Mortal Kombat or Gran Turismo or flight sims are fun, and I personally would rather watch paint dry. And then there's that other, more dangerous angle: the new and growing mainstream understanding of gaming as something not just for boys under 17 is really hard won, and none of us want to encourage a backslide.
So I thought about his e-mail for a little bit, and came to this conclusion:
"I think you're right that "fun" is the wrong metric for discussion -- although it's probably a really good metric for, "Is this worth sixty of my dollars?" I'd actually remove "fun" and replace it with "pleasurability." Pleasure comes in many different forms, and sometimes mixed with pain, as it were. Thus, pleasure to be found in sad or tragic stories, or even in terror (horror films, roller coasters, whatever). Pleasure comes in conquering a system (something knitters do just as much as gamers) or in solving a problem (gardening, knitting, gaming, woodworking, pretty much everything). ... Where do we derive the pleasure from gaming? Is it from seeing a pre-defined narrative unfold? Is it from participating in the unfolding of that narrative? Is it from conflict? I think the answer to all is "yes" and also "no" and also that there are a hundred more reasons."
Our discussion continued, and meanwhile the wheels in my head kept turning. I am only one gamer, only one set of preferences. There are loads of genres and games out there that don't appeal to me in the slightest and yet developers who produce those titles make millions upon millions of dollars annually. So why do people play them?
So I decided I'd ask people who play games. All told, across the blog comments, tweets, comments elsewhere, and e-mails, I got about 45 responses. For the record, I love every single response and I had a phenomenal time reading them, so thank you a hundred times over to everyone who gave me an answer.
First -- there is a sad note running through the comments I saw: an enormous amount of self-doubt and insecurity. A half-dozen responses explicitly fell along the lines of, "Well, I don't think I count because...," or, "I'm not good enough so..." To each and every one of you, I lovingly say: bullshit. Don't let the hardcore loudmouths drive you away from a thing you enjoy.
"Why do you game?" is a more complicated question than it appears at first, and many respondents ran into that wall of complications where they weren't expecting to find it. Even so, though, the answers very clearly fell into a few distinct categories. The answers broke down into two philosophical areas of thought: "Here's what I like," and, "Here's why I think I do it." I went all quasi-scientific on this information (my day job has "analyst" in the title, I'm that kind of person), sorting the answers into some rough buckets and tallying the responses. Nearly everyone had more than one major reason for playing games, but only a small handful of folks gave more than three or four.
A full 50% of answers fell into the category I rounded up and called "Goals / Accomplishment / Success." I decided that the urges to solve problems, accomplish goals, complete quests or missions, or to understand systems were all similar enough to group together. My own professed desire to feel "clever" while gaming would fall into this bucket, as well as answers like:
- "The nice thing about puzzle games is that there is an answer, and if you work hard enough, you will find it. Wish the same could be said of the real world..." (roleplayinggirl)
- "This is possibly why I mostly focus on rpgs & mmo type games. Generally, unless the game is terrible, I get up from a session feeling like I "accomplished" something, even if that something is as mundane as gaining a level or just moving through a story arc." (Andy)
- "For some games, it's the feeling that I pulled off something complex, like combos or special moves in fighting games. When I was a wee lad, the shoryuken was a really tricky maneuver, and I still feel a bit smug when I can hit a jumping opponent with it." (Matt Smyczynski)
I game because life is too short.
I want to be a surgeon, I want to be a plucky lawyer, I want to be a goddamn Space Marine. I want to fly a spaceship and manage an empire and escape from the ruins of an insane corporation and fight the forces of evil. I contain multitudes, as the saying goes, and not all of them are always satisfied with being a sysadmin (which is just a game anyway).
I can't do all those things because, besides the fact that some of them are impossible, there isn't enough time. To be good at something, to really accomplish things in the real world, you have to commit yourself, focus, and iterate. That's its own joy but it takes exclusivity. You can't commit to everything, so I do a few things for real and I want to do more for pretend. (timothyalvin)
Following from real-world impossibilities and the desire for problems with actual solutions, a full third (34%) of the answers also specifically called out gaming for escapism, for relaxation, or as a coping technique. A set of tangible goals, placed in a world (narrative or otherwise) with specific parameters and unbreakable rules does indeed have appeal as a method of dealing with the chaos of life. Another solid third (32%) mentioned that gaming help them stay in touch with friends and family, and form the basis of a true social connection:
- "It allows me to cope. I have depression and some unfortunate living situations and gaming has helped me stay afloat. Though it's also a bit of an outlet, since I get really, really into the games and let off some steam." (ashpanic)
- "I also like the social aspect of games (even though I'm an introvert!). I like doing stuff in a team, and enhancing the team." (Doctor Jay)
- "I enjoy the social interaction of playing a game you love with other people who also love it, whether it's online or right there in your living room. I do prefer the teamwork aspect (us versus the game) than direct competition (us versus each other), but both are enjoyable. My stepdaughter has lately been chopping me into tiny pieces when we duel with our lightsabers in The Force Unleashed. Rather than being upset by the shame of being pwned by a 13 year-old girl, I couldn't be more proud." (Doug)
- "Escapeism during a workday which I play lots of mobile games, plus most of them are fun. Another reason; games are using your brain to think a lot which I like the challenge i.e. Portal, Uncharted. And games are great socializing with people off or online i.e. build friendships. without games my lifestyle would have been different not for the better." (Joe)
Narrative gaming, though, is clearly where it's at. Over 40% of the answers cited stories and storytelling, and of those a high number specifically referenced what makes games different from other media.
I've always liked storytelling, and interacting with characters. My dream since I was little is that I can change the world and I matter, and games can fulfill that feeling for me. Because of the immersive nature of games, I think that they can easily rouse feelings, though I especially like it through the narrative. You care about the story and characters more because you are a part of it, instead of merely observing; the game can't go on without you. (Galatea)
I like stories, especially grand epics, and I think video games are the perfect medium for telling them because they're interactive rather than passive and fluid rather than static like movies or novels. In some games (Fallout, any BioWare game) I have a role in crafting the characters so I care more about them. In others (Left 4 Dead 2, Arkham Asylum) I have a role in keeping them alive. To my taste, games largely replace the need for adventure/fantasy/action/sci-fi movies and novels. (RedJenny)
I promised I'd give my own set of answers after I got to hear from everyone else, so here it is:
I like to feel clever. I truly enjoy solving problems, unraveling mysteries, and feeling like I accomplished something. So finding a way out of a sticky situation gives me a rush, as does wrapping my head around a complex problem, as in Portal.
I like feeling like a badass. It's not that I think for a second that I could do what Commander Shepard does; I'm a writer and a gamer and Shepard's physical ability puts most marathoners to shame. But I love being in her skin for a while. It's role-playing for a reason; I enjoy peeking into other stories and souls for a while to see what makes those characters tick. Drama's where it's at, and although I try to keep it out of my own life, I like living vicariously through fictional people.
And last but not least, I'm a sucker for exploration. Give me a map and I will uncover every nook and cranny it has to offer. I will climb the mountains around the Capital Wasteland to see where the invisible walls kick in; I will go right to the perimeter of every castle and prowl the walls looking for loose stones; I will explore every wall in every corridor of every mine and dungeon just to be sure I didn't miss something interesting in that last square inch. (Back when I started playing EQII, the first thing I did with my level 11 Predator was sneak around the entire perimeter of the Commonlands, and take the griffons over the middle. I died many times, exploring that way, but when the rez points were in a location I hadn't explored yet I considered it a fortuitous shortcut.)
So where does all this leave us with "fun?" It turns out (to me, unsurprisingly) that players are smart enough to break that one down for themselves. A scant three (3) people used that word, and the ones who did qualified it. Enstarstarstar sums it up just the way I would:
because i can, and because it's fun.So say we all.
or, put slightly longer: i game sometimes to relax, sometimes to be thrilled, sometimes to laugh, sometimes to escape, sometimes to challenge myself, sometimes to compete, sometimes to socialize, sometimes to immerse myself in a story, sometimes to fit myself into a world, sometimes to kill time, sometimes to kill, sometimes to think, sometimes to fly, and sometimes to be a jedi.
it all depends on when, where, why, and with whom.
just to expand on this a bit, the conversation started with me going back to an old Salon piece involving Tom Bissell (http://www.slate.com/id/2277778/entry/2278197/). He actually argues against "fun" as something we hide behind to mask deeper investigation - essentially fun as the "it's just a gamo, bro" defense. On top of that "fun" is a really nebulous concept that seems to get flack along the same lines as "Replayability" - it's meaningless because it can mean anything. The Duke Nukem Forever backlash-to-the-backlash consisted mostly of "but it's ~fun~".ReplyDelete
Maybe "fun" is a meta-quality. I don't game because it's "fun", but because of all the qualities outlined. And it makes them fun.ReplyDelete
We can play DDO with my group and get our butts kicked. We pick ourselves up and eventually figure out how to get through a dungeon, all the while improvising and scraping by. I can imagine other circumstances where the activity would be the same, but there would be no fun at all.
Yeah, "it's fun" is really a dodge. Maybe they're dodging you, or maybe they are dodging their own issues, but it's a dodge.ReplyDelete
Richard Bartle, in researching MUDs (essentially MMOs), divided gamers into four factions: Achievers, Explorers, Socializers, and Killers. It seems your own research found relatively strong evidence for the first three.ReplyDelete
Yeah. Admittedly my sample skews to "people who read verbose gaming criticism blogs," or at least, "people who are friends with people who read verbose criticism blogs," so it's high on explorers and socializers and low on killers.ReplyDelete
I really liked reading it all in everyone's own words, though, without leading questions. I particularly enjoy how many people specifically cited socialization as a driver for gaming, given the basement-dwelling loner stereotype that still persists.
I understand the argument 'against' fun as not really being the banning of fun, but a broadening to (as you say) pleasure. It seems like games are doing a strange opening up by having a more concise definition: A game is something that has a particular set of rules that you interact with and extract an experience out of. So if games are spaces that we intentionally limit ourselves in order to feel something, then fun can certainly not be a requirement or need for a game. There are many games that aim for fun but are poorly designed enough to not be; I would say that what is limiting is going into a game expecting only fun. This reminds me of Brenda Brathwaite's talk at GDC about her game Train, and how the game was not fun per se, but arguably a well designed and powerful experience. Games like Heavy Rain are only threatening if it was mandated that games must have a 'serious' experience, so to flip on the other side of the binary seems to be the same thinking except with fun.ReplyDelete
I think this issue reflects the nebulous feeling about the change that is wanted in games on many levels. My thought is to see a call for good 'non-fun' games isn't to dominate the entire market with them, but create a non-hostile and open-minded environment for such games to have a chance. Much like the want for better representation of women (as well as other minorities) in games; every single game doesn't have to be the paragon for the design of their women characters, but the climate of the gaming industry needs to get to a place where this can happen effortlessly. There is only a problem with female video game characters being sexualized when there are very few other types of women around; there's only a problem with fun games when every single game is expected to be explicitly fun and not primarily any other feeling.
So far Portal is a lot of fun. I'm taking turns at the controls with Leigh, who is new to WASD games but very very good at puzzle solving. We're both looking forward to that cake!ReplyDelete
I can't think of a game that I didn't have fun playing but was worthwhile for other reasons, but maybe I'm having trouble sharpening my definition of "fun" finely enough.
I'm a killer. I'm playing through the intellectually dead and morally despicable Borderlands for the third time because I love the killing.ReplyDelete
I've been playing a F2P tank MMO called World of Tanks for a similar reason. It never gets old those times when there's a light tank zipping around, you bring the big gun to bear and one-shot them. I'd have to say for the most part one shotting another tank makes me cackle with glee.ReplyDelete
I totally play games to have fun but I didn't explicitly include it in my answer because I was thinking the question was more like 'why is playing games fun for you?' It seems that since playing games is a hobby for those of us who answered, we get some sort of implicit fun or pleasure out of it or it wouldn't be a hobby.ReplyDelete
Still, it is pretty interesting that it wasn't a major factor in the responses at all - clearly there's a lot more to it than just fun.
I know some guys who were in Desert Storm and they describe it quite a bit like that.ReplyDelete
Right, that's what's so fantastic about it to me: nearly everyone took "fun" as a given and started explaining the underlying motivations. What's the source of the pleasure?ReplyDelete
"For fun" would have been an acceptable answer and to be honest I expected to see it more than I did. I'm thrilled I didn't, though. ;)